1 00:00:15,284 --> 00:00:16,984 [Rush Lindell] You know what nobody wants to say? 2 00:00:17,434 --> 00:00:19,833 [Rush Lindell] Trump just signed a peace deal with Iran, 3 00:00:20,134 --> 00:00:21,634 [Rush Lindell] at Versailles of all places, 4 00:00:21,934 --> 00:00:24,834 [Rush Lindell] and the loudest objections are coming from his own side. 5 00:00:25,334 --> 00:00:27,184 [Rush Lindell] Welcome to the Rush Lindell Show. 6 00:00:27,334 --> 00:00:28,384 [Rush Lindell] I'm Rush Lindell. 7 00:00:28,534 --> 00:00:29,384 [Reagan] I'm Reagan, 8 00:00:29,484 --> 00:00:30,084 [Reagan] and rush, 9 00:00:30,184 --> 00:00:31,684 [Reagan] the timing alone is something. 10 00:00:32,234 --> 00:00:37,834 [Reagan] NBC News reported the signing happened late Wednesday at the Palace of Versailles, not Switzerland, 11 00:00:38,034 --> 00:00:39,084 [Reagan] where everyone was waiting. 12 00:00:39,584 --> 00:00:40,984 [Reagan] Macron posted the video himself. 13 00:00:41,571 --> 00:00:46,271 [Rush Lindell] The Swiss press corps is still standing in Lucerne wondering what happened. 14 00:00:46,621 --> 00:00:47,971 [Rush Lindell] So here's the show today. 15 00:00:48,471 --> 00:00:52,671 [Rush Lindell] Trump and Iranian President Pezeshkian sign a 14-point MOU. 16 00:00:53,271 --> 00:00:53,871 [Rush Lindell] Cease fire, 17 00:00:54,221 --> 00:00:58,572 [Rush Lindell] the Strait of Hormuz reopens, a 60-day clock starts on the nuclear question. 18 00:00:58,822 --> 00:00:59,371 [Rush Lindell] Big, 19 00:00:59,421 --> 00:00:59,671 [Rush Lindell] right? 20 00:00:59,972 --> 00:01:01,171 [Reagan] Big. But, 21 00:01:01,272 --> 00:01:01,522 [Reagan] Reagan, 22 00:01:01,671 --> 00:01:06,621 [Reagan] there's a lot of daylight between what the press release says and what the actual text says. 23 00:01:07,021 --> 00:01:09,021 [Reagan] NPR obtained the MOU text, 24 00:01:09,171 --> 00:01:10,072 [Reagan] and when you put it... 25 00:01:09,780 --> 00:01:15,879 [Reagan] Put it side by side with the JCPOA, the Obama deal everyone on the right spent a decade torching, 26 00:01:16,079 --> 00:01:18,079 [Reagan] the nuclear provisions look familiar. 27 00:01:18,730 --> 00:01:19,980 [Rush Lindell] Shockingly familiar. 28 00:01:20,180 --> 00:01:21,980 [Rush Lindell] We'll get into every word of that. 29 00:01:22,129 --> 00:01:23,430 [Rush Lindell] And then Fox, 30 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:24,629 [Rush Lindell] the Wall Street Journal, 31 00:01:24,829 --> 00:01:25,780 [Rush Lindell] the New York Post, 32 00:01:25,879 --> 00:01:28,730 [Rush Lindell] they all broke with Trump on this simultaneously. 33 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,580 [Rush Lindell] Ben Shapiro called it a disaster, 34 00:01:31,780 --> 00:01:35,930 [Rush Lindell] the conservative media's civil war is real and it is loud. 35 00:01:36,052 --> 00:01:36,302 [Rush Lindell] LOUD. 36 00:01:36,652 --> 00:01:41,952 [Reagan] Though I note some of those critics were cheerleading the war without a plan for how it ended, 37 00:01:42,352 --> 00:01:43,852 [Reagan] that's a conversation worth having. 38 00:01:44,402 --> 00:01:46,052 [Rush Lindell] And Netanyahu-Oh, 39 00:01:46,152 --> 00:01:57,152 [Rush Lindell] we are absolutely getting to Netanyahu-Trump called him-I'll let the reporting speak for itself-"a very small partner at the G7." Israel was cut out of the MOU entirely. 40 00:01:57,802 --> 00:02:02,102 [Reagan] There are real strategic consequences to that rupture heading into a 60 day fight 41 00:02:02,102 --> 00:02:02,452 [Speaker 3] with Congress. 42 00:02:01,843 --> 00:02:03,143 [Reagan] day final negotiation. 43 00:02:03,593 --> 00:02:04,993 [Reagan] That's what we should be focused on. 44 00:02:05,293 --> 00:02:06,343 [Rush Lindell] 60 days. 45 00:02:06,393 --> 00:02:07,793 [Rush Lindell] That's the whole show. 46 00:02:08,093 --> 00:02:09,043 [Rush Lindell] Let me tell you something, 47 00:02:09,394 --> 00:02:13,144 [Rush Lindell] day 61 either justifies this thing or exposes it. 48 00:02:13,394 --> 00:02:14,593 [Rush Lindell] First segment right now. 49 00:02:20,020 --> 00:02:21,370 [Rush Lindell] One, two, three. 50 00:02:21,620 --> 00:02:22,469 [Rush Lindell] Speaker one, 51 00:02:22,670 --> 00:02:23,820 [Rush Lindell] action port side, 52 00:02:23,969 --> 00:02:24,120 [Rush Lindell] please. 53 00:02:24,969 --> 00:02:26,120 [Rush Lindell] Before we dive in, 54 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:26,820 [Rush Lindell] quick reminder, 55 00:02:27,170 --> 00:02:28,570 [Rush Lindell] we love hearing from you. 56 00:02:28,820 --> 00:02:31,469 [Rush Lindell] If you have questions or topics you'd like us to cover, 57 00:02:31,770 --> 00:02:34,520 [Rush Lindell] head to the link in the description and submit your question. 58 00:02:34,870 --> 00:02:36,670 [Rush Lindell] We read every single one. 59 00:02:42,218 --> 00:02:43,618 [Rush Lindell] So here's what's going on: 60 00:02:43,968 --> 00:02:48,818 [Rush Lindell] the United States just signed a peace deal with Iran-not at Camp David, 61 00:02:49,118 --> 00:02:50,068 [Rush Lindell] not at the White House, 62 00:02:50,468 --> 00:02:52,618 [Rush Lindell] at Versailles, over dinner 63 00:02:52,618 --> 00:02:52,668 [Reagan] Wow. 64 00:02:52,668 --> 00:02:55,068 [Rush Lindell] with Macron sitting right there saying, 65 00:02:55,168 --> 00:02:55,768 [Rush Lindell] and I quote, 66 00:02:56,168 --> 00:02:56,568 [Rush Lindell] Bravo! 67 00:02:57,018 --> 00:02:57,518 [Reagan] I mean, 68 00:02:57,618 --> 00:02:59,518 [Reagan] the plates were literally still on the table. 69 00:03:00,018 --> 00:03:03,718 [Rush Lindell] Someone snapped a photo of the document to send to Tehran. 70 00:03:03,818 --> 00:03:04,868 [Rush Lindell] That actually happened. 71 00:03:05,468 --> 00:03:06,518 [Rush Lindell] According to CNN, 72 00:03:06,918 --> 00:03:08,668 [Rush Lindell] Trump told his dinner companions, 73 00:03:08,868 --> 00:03:10,568 [Rush Lindell] which included Wall Street titans, 74 00:03:10,811 --> 00:03:12,111 [Rush Lindell] This was not easy, 75 00:03:12,211 --> 00:03:12,861 [Rush Lindell] I can tell you. 76 00:03:13,311 --> 00:03:15,611 [Rush Lindell] Then he lifted the memo to show off his signature. 77 00:03:16,061 --> 00:03:20,162 [Reagan] So there was a formal signing ceremony already scheduled-Switzerland, 78 00:03:20,412 --> 00:03:21,111 [Reagan] Lake Lucerne, 79 00:03:21,211 --> 00:03:21,961 [Reagan] the whole setup. 80 00:03:22,412 --> 00:03:24,262 [Reagan] JD Vance was supposed to fly out Friday. 81 00:03:24,762 --> 00:03:25,111 [Rush Lindell] Nope. 82 00:03:25,512 --> 00:03:27,411 [Rush Lindell] Trump wanted it done that night. 83 00:03:27,762 --> 00:03:29,111 [Rush Lindell] Macron said he'd arrange it, 84 00:03:29,311 --> 00:03:32,061 [Rush Lindell] and just like that-snap-Iran deal. 85 00:03:32,852 --> 00:03:33,301 [Reagan] Rush, 86 00:03:33,352 --> 00:03:36,801 [Reagan] I want to be clear. There is real substance here beyond the theater. 87 00:03:37,301 --> 00:03:39,951 [Reagan] NPR reported this is a 14-point MOU, 88 00:03:40,551 --> 00:03:42,652 [Reagan] immediate end to military operations, 89 00:03:42,902 --> 00:03:44,301 [Reagan] Strait of Hormuz reopens, 90 00:03:44,701 --> 00:03:45,752 [Reagan] oil sanctions lifted, 91 00:03:46,302 --> 00:03:49,951 [Reagan] 60-day clock starts now to negotiate a final nuclear agreement. 92 00:03:50,451 --> 00:03:52,902 [Rush Lindell] All of that's real and I'm not dismissing it. 93 00:03:53,152 --> 00:03:54,352 [Rush Lindell] But here's what gets me. 94 00:03:54,852 --> 00:03:57,152 [Rush Lindell] NBC News reported that Israel, 95 00:03:57,252 --> 00:03:59,002 [Rush Lindell] our closest ally in the region, 96 00:03:58,963 --> 00:04:01,864 [Rush Lindell] was not shown the memorandum before it was signed. 97 00:04:02,364 --> 00:04:05,313 [Rush Lindell] Netanyahu found out the same way the rest of us did. 98 00:04:05,614 --> 00:04:07,114 [Reagan] That's a significant detail, 99 00:04:07,313 --> 00:04:08,514 [Reagan] and it's not just optics. 100 00:04:09,014 --> 00:04:13,213 [Reagan] If Israel wasn't in the room, they can't push back on the terms before they're locked in. 101 00:04:13,713 --> 00:04:14,864 [Rush Lindell] Exactly right, 102 00:04:15,264 --> 00:04:17,314 [Rush Lindell] and Fox News is calling this a surrender. 103 00:04:17,764 --> 00:04:19,463 [Rush Lindell] Republicans are calling this a surrender. 104 00:04:19,913 --> 00:04:20,663 [Rush Lindell] We'll get into that. 105 00:04:20,863 --> 00:04:23,264 [Reagan] The part I keep coming back to is the uranium. 106 00:04:23,863 --> 00:04:26,764 [Reagan] NBC News said Iran's enriched uranium stock was 107 00:04:26,548 --> 00:04:31,548 [Reagan] Stockpiles stays on Iranian soil; the details are deferred to the "Sixty-day talks. 108 00:04:31,947 --> 00:04:33,148 [Rush Lindell] So we sign something, 109 00:04:33,398 --> 00:04:38,598 [Rush Lindell] the uranium's still there and we've got sixty days to figure out what we actually agreed to. 110 00:04:38,947 --> 00:04:40,298 [Reagan] That's the honest read of it. 111 00:04:40,548 --> 00:04:42,348 [Rush Lindell] Which raises an obvious question: 112 00:04:42,848 --> 00:04:45,148 [Rush Lindell] what exactly are those fourteen points, 113 00:04:45,298 --> 00:04:47,048 [Rush Lindell] and does the fine print hold up? 114 00:04:52,435 --> 00:04:52,985 [Rush Lindell] So, 115 00:04:53,135 --> 00:04:54,885 [Rush Lindell] the fine print... Reagan, 116 00:04:54,985 --> 00:04:57,985 [Rush Lindell] walk me through it. What does this MOU actually say on nukes? 117 00:04:58,135 --> 00:04:58,685 [Reagan] Okay, 118 00:04:58,835 --> 00:05:01,235 [Reagan] so CBS News did a side-by-side on this, 119 00:05:01,286 --> 00:05:02,786 [Reagan] and the comparison is striking. 120 00:05:03,286 --> 00:05:07,435 [Reagan] The MOU says Iran shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons. 121 00:05:07,835 --> 00:05:09,635 [Reagan] That is, word for word, 122 00:05:09,735 --> 00:05:12,385 [Reagan] the same pledge that was in the Obama JCPOA. 123 00:05:12,585 --> 00:05:17,085 [Reagan] The exact same language Trump spent years calling the worst deal ever negotiated. 124 00:05:17,385 --> 00:05:18,985 [Rush Lindell] The exact same language. 125 00:05:19,475 --> 00:05:21,026 [Reagan] Verbatim. Now, 126 00:05:21,175 --> 00:05:21,776 [Reagan] to be fair, 127 00:05:21,925 --> 00:05:23,675 [Reagan] and I'll give the ceasefire real credit, 128 00:05:24,026 --> 00:05:26,526 [Reagan] stopping active military operations matters. 129 00:05:26,875 --> 00:05:28,425 [Reagan] But on the nuclear substance, 130 00:05:28,875 --> 00:05:34,076 [Reagan] the JCPOA capped enrichment at 3.67%, capped the stockpile, 131 00:05:34,276 --> 00:05:36,576 [Reagan] limited centrifuges to specific facilities. 132 00:05:36,925 --> 00:05:40,026 [Reagan] This MOU doesn't mention centrifuges once, 133 00:05:40,425 --> 00:05:42,175 [Reagan] doesn't cap enrichment levels at all. 134 00:05:42,425 --> 00:05:45,125 [Rush Lindell] And the 440 kilograms sitting at 60%. 135 00:05:45,235 --> 00:05:45,435 [Rush Lindell] Rent? 136 00:05:45,786 --> 00:05:47,235 [Reagan] Still on Iranian soil, 137 00:05:47,735 --> 00:05:51,286 [Reagan] the MOU says both sides agreed to resolve the "disposition" 138 00:05:51,586 --> 00:05:52,536 [Reagan] of that stockpile, 139 00:05:52,635 --> 00:05:55,885 [Reagan] which is a diplomatic way of saying we'll figure it out later. 140 00:05:56,435 --> 00:05:57,485 [Reagan] Per CBS News, 141 00:05:57,586 --> 00:06:01,286 [Reagan] the actual mechanics get punted to the sixty day technical talks. 142 00:06:01,735 --> 00:06:08,185 [Rush Lindell] So the stuff that's one step from weapons grade we're leaving in their hands and we're calling that better than Obama's deal? 143 00:06:08,586 --> 00:06:11,536 [Reagan] That's the question that doesn't have a clean answer right now. 144 00:06:11,732 --> 00:06:21,232 [Reagan] The IAEA chief told Al Jazeera that four hundred forty kilograms at sixty percent is theoretically enough for more than ten nuclear warheads if refined further, 145 00:06:21,682 --> 00:06:23,882 [Reagan] and this agreement has no centrifuge limits, 146 00:06:24,332 --> 00:06:27,282 [Reagan] no enrichment cap-those details are deferred. 147 00:06:27,782 --> 00:06:30,932 [Rush Lindell] The JCPOA ran a hundred fifty nine pages. 148 00:06:31,432 --> 00:06:35,682 [Rush Lindell] This is fourteen bullet points negotiated by two real estate developers. 149 00:06:36,282 --> 00:06:38,782 [Reagan] Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner-I mean, 150 00:06:38,832 --> 00:06:39,082 [Reagan] look, 151 00:06:39,232 --> 00:06:40,332 [Reagan] the ceasefire is real. 152 00:06:40,339 --> 00:06:42,089 [Reagan] The Strait reopening is real, 153 00:06:42,339 --> 00:06:47,089 [Reagan] but the hard nuclear work hasn't happened yet; it's been delegated to 60 days of talks. 154 00:06:47,389 --> 00:06:49,839 [Rush Lindell] And speaking of people who read the fine print, 155 00:06:50,089 --> 00:06:52,289 [Rush Lindell] the conservative media just got a look at this thing, 156 00:06:52,339 --> 00:06:54,339 [Rush Lindell] and they're not sending congratulations. 157 00:07:00,121 --> 00:07:03,571 [Rush Lindell] So while Reagan was dissecting the nuclear fine print, 158 00:07:03,721 --> 00:07:06,471 [Rush Lindell] the right wing media machine lit up, 159 00:07:06,621 --> 00:07:08,521 [Rush Lindell] and I mean all of it simultaneously. 160 00:07:09,171 --> 00:07:10,571 [Reagan] The Murdoch trifecta? 161 00:07:10,871 --> 00:07:13,821 [Rush Lindell] The Murdoch trifecta-Fox News, 162 00:07:13,921 --> 00:07:14,921 [Rush Lindell] the Wall Street Journal, 163 00:07:15,071 --> 00:07:26,921 [Rush Lindell] the New York Post-all broke with Trump on the same day the WSJ editorial board ran the headline "Trump Stages an Iran Retreat," the New York Post concluded the MOU, 164 00:07:27,121 --> 00:07:27,771 [Rush Lindell] and I quote: 165 00:07:27,769 --> 00:07:32,569 [Rush Lindell] seems to leave things right back where they were before the bomb started dropping. 166 00:07:32,969 --> 00:07:35,169 [Reagan] So the bombs accomplished nothing, 167 00:07:35,469 --> 00:07:36,219 [Reagan] that's what they're saying. 168 00:07:36,619 --> 00:07:39,269 [Rush Lindell] That's what their own editorial board is saying. 169 00:07:39,619 --> 00:07:41,369 [Rush Lindell] And then you've got Ben Shapiro, 170 00:07:41,719 --> 00:07:43,769 [Rush Lindell] I'm calling him the Disaster Whisperer, 171 00:07:44,069 --> 00:07:46,269 [Rush Lindell] on Fox News calling it a disaster. 172 00:07:46,769 --> 00:07:50,169 [Rush Lindell] Erick Erickson flatly, Trump has surrendered to Iran. 173 00:07:50,419 --> 00:07:52,419 [Rush Lindell] Tucker Carlson calls it a retreat. 174 00:07:52,769 --> 00:07:53,169 [Reagan] Okay, 175 00:07:53,219 --> 00:07:53,719 [Reagan] but Rush, 176 00:07:53,769 --> 00:07:56,019 [Reagan] some of that criticism is fair on the merits. 177 00:07:56,249 --> 00:07:59,299 [Reagan] Is Shapiro's point that you can't declare victory at half time? 178 00:07:59,449 --> 00:08:00,199 [Reagan] That's a real argument. 179 00:08:00,549 --> 00:08:04,449 [Rush Lindell] I don't dispute the substance; what I dispute is the selective memory. 180 00:08:05,049 --> 00:08:05,449 [Reagan] Say more. 181 00:08:05,749 --> 00:08:09,399 [Rush Lindell] These are the same voices who cheered the war from day one: 182 00:08:09,749 --> 00:08:10,699 [Rush Lindell] no exit plan, 183 00:08:10,849 --> 00:08:11,699 [Rush Lindell] no end game, 184 00:08:11,799 --> 00:08:15,749 [Rush Lindell] just bombs away-and now that Trump is trying to land the plane, 185 00:08:15,899 --> 00:08:17,349 [Rush Lindell] they're appalled at the turbulence? 186 00:08:17,999 --> 00:08:18,599 [Reagan] That's fair. 187 00:08:18,749 --> 00:08:22,449 [Reagan] You don't get to cheer the war and then refuse all responsibility for how it ends. 188 00:08:22,201 --> 00:08:22,951 [Reagan] HOW IT ENDS. 189 00:08:23,201 --> 00:08:25,401 [Rush Lindell] Now here's the line that stopped me cold: 190 00:08:25,851 --> 00:08:29,951 [Rush Lindell] Fox contributor Marc Thiessen, who reportedly advised Trump on this war, 191 00:08:30,301 --> 00:08:37,051 [Rush Lindell] compared the $300 billion reconstruction fund to offering the Marshall Plan while the Nazis were still in power. 192 00:08:37,551 --> 00:08:38,901 [Reagan] That's a striking analogy. 193 00:08:39,401 --> 00:08:40,201 [Rush Lindell] It's vivid. 194 00:08:40,451 --> 00:08:43,851 [Rush Lindell] It's also from a guy who was inside the tent five minutes ago. 195 00:08:44,301 --> 00:08:45,051 [Reagan] And notice, 196 00:08:45,251 --> 00:08:47,001 [Reagan] nobody's blaming Trump directly. 197 00:08:47,351 --> 00:08:48,301 [Reagan] Thiessen called it "b- 198 00:08:48,025 --> 00:08:49,475 [Reagan] The Vance Peace Deal. 199 00:08:49,825 --> 00:08:50,575 [Reagan] Trump signed it. 200 00:08:50,775 --> 00:08:51,925 [Reagan] Vance is taking the arrows. 201 00:08:52,475 --> 00:08:54,475 [Rush Lindell] Which is exactly where we're headed next, 202 00:08:54,675 --> 00:08:58,175 [Rush Lindell] because that scapegoating has a very specific political purpose. 203 00:09:03,709 --> 00:09:09,259 [Rush Lindell] So Kilmeade-Brian Kilmeade on Fox and Friends-I need to translate this for you. 204 00:09:09,509 --> 00:09:09,709 [Reagan] Oh, 205 00:09:09,859 --> 00:09:10,659 [Reagan] please go ahead. 206 00:09:11,209 --> 00:09:21,609 [Rush Lindell] He goes on air and says-and I'm pulling this exact quote-"Maybe Vance wasn't the right person to bring this conflict to an end." That's the whole operation right there. 207 00:09:21,909 --> 00:09:25,109 [Reagan] Eleven words-the man did it in eleven words. 208 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:30,259 [Rush Lindell] Eleven words-not a single one of them says "Trump." The deal is bad. 209 00:09:30,169 --> 00:09:32,969 [Rush Lindell] But somehow the guy who signed it is blameless. 210 00:09:33,319 --> 00:09:34,669 [Reagan] And then Kilmeade adds, 211 00:09:34,869 --> 00:09:36,069 [Reagan] this is Vance's deal, 212 00:09:36,269 --> 00:09:37,819 [Reagan] it's not the President's deal. 213 00:09:38,269 --> 00:09:38,519 [Reagan] Rush, 214 00:09:38,719 --> 00:09:41,969 [Reagan] Trump literally flew to Versailles and signed it at dinner. 215 00:09:42,419 --> 00:09:45,819 [Rush Lindell] With Macron saying "Bravo," but go off, 216 00:09:45,919 --> 00:09:46,119 [Rush Lindell] Brian. 217 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:46,769 [Reagan] Look, 218 00:09:46,819 --> 00:09:50,219 [Reagan] I get the instinct-nobody wants to torch the president directly. 219 00:09:50,669 --> 00:09:53,669 [Reagan] But calling this Vance's deal is-that's not criticism, 220 00:09:53,919 --> 00:09:54,919 [Reagan] that's a human shield. 221 00:09:55,419 --> 00:09:57,169 [Rush Lindell] And then there's Tom Cotton, 222 00:09:57,519 --> 00:09:58,769 [Rush Lindell] Senate Intelligence Committee chair. 223 00:09:58,769 --> 00:09:59,069 [Speaker 4] Mm hmm. 224 00:09:58,873 --> 00:09:59,023 [Speaker 5] Mm 225 00:09:59,023 --> 00:09:59,073 [Speaker 6] The 226 00:09:59,073 --> 00:09:59,223 [Speaker 5] -hmm. 227 00:09:59,223 --> 00:10:02,523 [Speaker 6] Senate's loudest Iran hawk for a decade-you ready? 228 00:10:02,923 --> 00:10:04,273 [Reagan] I'm on the edge of my seat. 229 00:10:04,573 --> 00:10:11,723 [Speaker 6] He tells Fox News-and I'm not paraphrasing-"Trump deserves enormous credit for weakening Iran." Then, 230 00:10:11,873 --> 00:10:12,873 [Speaker 6] in the same breath, 231 00:10:13,173 --> 00:10:15,073 [Speaker 6] we must not squander the leverage. 232 00:10:15,423 --> 00:10:15,973 [Speaker 6] That's it. 233 00:10:16,173 --> 00:10:17,273 [Speaker 6] That's the whole statement. 234 00:10:17,723 --> 00:10:21,173 [Reagan] Interrupting, he praised the war and criticized the peace. 235 00:10:21,473 --> 00:10:23,823 [Speaker 6] Without ever saying the deal is wrong. 236 00:10:24,123 --> 00:10:27,273 [Reagan] Cotton spent years saying Obama's Iran deal was an 237 00:10:27,033 --> 00:10:28,533 [Reagan] Was an existential betrayal, 238 00:10:28,983 --> 00:10:31,283 [Reagan] now he's doing careful sentence construction. 239 00:10:31,283 --> 00:10:31,433 [Speaker 6] M! 240 00:10:31,883 --> 00:10:35,833 [Reagan] That's what tribal loyalty actually looks like when it's dressed up as analysis. 241 00:10:36,533 --> 00:10:41,783 [Speaker 6] You know what nobody wants to say; the pattern is identical across all of them-Kilmeade, 242 00:10:41,933 --> 00:10:42,233 [Speaker 6] Cotton, 243 00:10:42,483 --> 00:10:44,683 [Speaker 6] the whole crew-protect the man, 244 00:10:44,933 --> 00:10:47,083 [Speaker 6] absorb the criticism somewhere else. 245 00:10:47,383 --> 00:10:49,233 [Reagan] Vance is the somewhere else. 246 00:10:49,683 --> 00:10:51,433 [Speaker 6] Vance is the somewhere else, 247 00:10:51,783 --> 00:10:54,183 [Speaker 6] and speaking of what nobody's saying honestly- 248 00:10:53,945 --> 00:10:58,745 [Speaker 6] There's another story running underneath all of this, one that involves a phone call, 249 00:10:58,995 --> 00:11:02,045 [Speaker 6] some expletives, and a very unhappy prime minister. 250 00:11:02,445 --> 00:11:02,695 [Reagan] Yeah, 251 00:11:02,945 --> 00:11:04,945 [Reagan] that one's something else entirely. 252 00:11:10,425 --> 00:11:11,075 [Rush Lindell] Now, 253 00:11:11,275 --> 00:11:11,925 [Rush Lindell] the Bibi blow-up: Axios reported it; Trump confirmed it. 254 00:11:11,975 --> 00:11:15,575 [Rush Lindell] He called Netanyahu, 255 00:11:15,875 --> 00:11:17,125 [Rush Lindell] on the record, 256 00:11:17,375 --> 00:11:18,225 [Rush Lindell] quote, 257 00:11:18,625 --> 00:11:18,925 [Rush Lindell] fucking crazy, 258 00:11:19,225 --> 00:11:20,475 [Rush Lindell] an expletive laden call after Netanyahu ordered Beirut strikes one hour before the MOU signing. 259 00:11:20,925 --> 00:11:27,325 [Rush Lindell] an expletive laden call after Netanyahu ordered Beirut strikes one hour before the M.O.U. 260 00:11:27,425 --> 00:11:27,725 [Rush Lindell] signing. 261 00:11:28,025 --> 00:11:29,275 [Rush Lindell] One hour. 262 00:11:29,675 --> 00:11:31,475 [Reagan] And Trump didn't walk it back. 263 00:11:31,775 --> 00:11:32,775 [Reagan] He told Axios, 264 00:11:32,875 --> 00:11:35,275 [Reagan] why did Bibi have to do a fucking attack? 265 00:11:35,475 --> 00:11:37,125 [Reagan] He has no fucking judgment. 266 00:11:37,593 --> 00:11:40,543 [Reagan] PBS confirmed he acknowledged the call publicly. 267 00:11:40,993 --> 00:11:42,543 [Speaker 6] A little bit perturbed, 268 00:11:42,593 --> 00:11:43,093 [Speaker 6] he said. 269 00:11:43,343 --> 00:11:43,743 [Speaker 6] Yeah, 270 00:11:43,993 --> 00:11:45,243 [Speaker 6] a little bit. 271 00:11:45,693 --> 00:11:47,043 [Reagan] The diplomatic version. 272 00:11:47,593 --> 00:11:48,193 [Speaker 6] But Reagan, 273 00:11:48,393 --> 00:11:50,193 [Speaker 6] the MOU text part, 274 00:11:50,493 --> 00:11:51,843 [Speaker 6] that's almost worse. 275 00:11:52,243 --> 00:11:58,143 [Speaker 6] NBC News reported Wednesday that Israeli officials still had not seen the final draft. 276 00:11:58,593 --> 00:12:00,093 [Speaker 6] A US official's response: 277 00:12:00,443 --> 00:12:02,793 [Speaker 6] the Israelis never asked for it. 278 00:12:03,243 --> 00:12:06,443 [Reagan] Never asked-that's the US government's answer. 279 00:12:06,297 --> 00:12:12,947 [Reagan] Answer.--An Axios reported Netanyahu seemed to recognize he couldn't stop Trump from signing it, 280 00:12:13,297 --> 00:12:17,047 [Reagan] not agreed with it; recognized he couldn't stop it. 281 00:12:17,347 --> 00:12:18,197 [Speaker 6] Big difference. 282 00:12:18,747 --> 00:12:24,797 [Reagan] And at the G7 Trump said in public we are the big partner and he is the very small partner. 283 00:12:25,297 --> 00:12:27,247 [Reagan] Four months before Israeli elections. 284 00:12:27,247 --> 00:12:27,747 [Speaker 7] No! 285 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:29,447 [Reagan] That's not a diplomatic slip. 286 00:12:29,747 --> 00:12:30,347 [Reagan] That's a message. 287 00:12:30,997 --> 00:12:33,697 [Speaker 6] Without me there would be no Israel. 288 00:12:33,881 --> 00:12:35,081 [Speaker 6] He said that, 289 00:12:35,281 --> 00:12:36,331 [Speaker 6] at the G7, 290 00:12:36,681 --> 00:12:37,681 [Speaker 6] to the cameras, 291 00:12:38,081 --> 00:12:40,581 [Speaker 6] and the White House never denied any of it. 292 00:12:40,931 --> 00:12:41,181 [Reagan] Now, 293 00:12:41,281 --> 00:12:42,681 [Reagan] I want to push on something here. 294 00:12:43,131 --> 00:12:43,831 [Reagan] On one read, 295 00:12:44,081 --> 00:12:45,631 [Reagan] Trump is asserting control, 296 00:12:46,081 --> 00:12:49,931 [Reagan] forcing an ally that nearly blew up the deal to accept the outcome. 297 00:12:50,231 --> 00:12:51,081 [Reagan] That's not nothing. 298 00:12:51,581 --> 00:12:52,181 [Speaker 6] I hear you, 299 00:12:52,381 --> 00:12:53,131 [Speaker 6] and I'll be honest, 300 00:12:53,281 --> 00:12:55,131 [Speaker 6] I'm not sure he's right to do it. 301 00:12:55,531 --> 00:13:00,631 [Speaker 6] Bibi ordered a strike on Beirut one hour before the signing-that's on him. 302 00:13:00,889 --> 00:13:01,389 [Reagan] Fair, 303 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:04,789 [Reagan] but Israel has no seat at the sixty day table now. 304 00:13:04,939 --> 00:13:07,439 [Reagan] Their core concerns-centrifuges, 305 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:08,589 [Reagan] ballistic missiles, 306 00:13:08,789 --> 00:13:12,739 [Reagan] Lebanon withdrawal-all get negotiated without them in the room. 307 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:16,289 [Speaker 6] Which brings us to the question nobody wants to answer yet: 308 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:18,689 [Speaker 6] Did Trump actually win this? 309 00:13:18,939 --> 00:13:23,489 [Speaker 6] Because that answer depends entirely on what happens in those 60 days, 310 00:13:23,739 --> 00:13:25,339 [Speaker 6] and we're going there next. 311 00:13:30,745 --> 00:13:31,945 [Speaker 6] So the real question: 312 00:13:32,345 --> 00:13:33,995 [Speaker 6] Did Trump win or not? 313 00:13:34,495 --> 00:13:35,895 [Speaker 6] I've been sitting with this all week, 314 00:13:36,045 --> 00:13:37,445 [Speaker 6] and I'll give you my honest answer. 315 00:13:37,795 --> 00:13:38,245 [Reagan] Same. 316 00:13:38,545 --> 00:13:38,745 [Reagan] Go. 317 00:13:39,245 --> 00:13:41,045 [Speaker 6] The case for Trump is real. 318 00:13:41,595 --> 00:13:42,845 [Speaker 6] Iran lost Khamenei, 319 00:13:43,245 --> 00:13:45,745 [Speaker 6] lost most of its IRGC command structure, 320 00:13:46,145 --> 00:13:48,545 [Speaker 6] and came to the table in a hundred days. 321 00:13:49,145 --> 00:13:50,795 [Speaker 6] Thirteen American lives. 322 00:13:51,295 --> 00:13:58,045 [Speaker 6] The Pentagon puts the direct military cost around $40 billion per CNN and CSIS. 323 00:13:58,095 --> 00:13:59,245 [Speaker 6] That is a price, 324 00:13:59,545 --> 00:14:00,095 [Speaker 6] but the s***. 325 00:14:00,202 --> 00:14:05,452 [Rush Lindell] The street is open and no president has ever gotten Iran's signature on anything this fast. 326 00:14:05,902 --> 00:14:07,002 [Reagan] All of that's true, 327 00:14:07,152 --> 00:14:08,402 [Reagan] and I don't dismiss it, 328 00:14:08,502 --> 00:14:10,102 [Reagan] but here's what I can't get past: 329 00:14:10,502 --> 00:14:13,052 [Reagan] Iran gets immediate oil sanctions waivers, 330 00:14:13,452 --> 00:14:16,502 [Reagan] dollar denominated trade for the first time in four decades, 331 00:14:16,502 --> 00:14:16,702 [Speaker 4] four. 332 00:14:16,752 --> 00:14:18,902 [Reagan] and keeps every centrifuge running. 333 00:14:19,452 --> 00:14:22,502 [Reagan] The Foundation for Defense of Democracies flagged it bluntly: 334 00:14:22,902 --> 00:14:26,202 [Reagan] Washington is trading away its most durable economic lever. 335 00:14:26,142 --> 00:14:29,242 [Reagan] before the hard part of the negotiation has even started. 336 00:14:29,742 --> 00:14:31,342 [Rush Lindell] That's the thing that keeps me up. 337 00:14:31,592 --> 00:14:33,792 [Rush Lindell] Because the MOU didn't cap enrichment, 338 00:14:34,142 --> 00:14:36,042 [Rush Lindell] didn't touch the ballistic missile program, 339 00:14:36,642 --> 00:14:42,842 [Rush Lindell] Iran's missile program and support for allied groups are explicitly off the agenda in these 60-day talks, 340 00:14:43,092 --> 00:14:45,192 [Rush Lindell] according to Iranian state media reports. 341 00:14:45,192 --> 00:14:45,592 [Reagan] Wow. 342 00:14:45,592 --> 00:14:47,992 [Rush Lindell] So what exactly did the war establish? 343 00:14:48,492 --> 00:14:51,592 [Reagan] Directly, it established that Iran can be hurt. 344 00:14:51,942 --> 00:14:52,442 [Reagan] It did not 345 00:14:52,222 --> 00:14:56,122 [Reagan] Not establish that Iran can be stopped; those are different things. 346 00:14:56,572 --> 00:14:56,972 [Rush Lindell] Yeah, 347 00:14:57,372 --> 00:14:58,472 [Rush Lindell] yeah-and look, 348 00:14:58,872 --> 00:15:03,172 [Rush Lindell] I think the MOU buys time-that's the honest conservative verdict: 349 00:15:03,422 --> 00:15:04,772 [Rush Lindell] not victory-time. 350 00:15:05,272 --> 00:15:07,622 [Reagan] Rush all push back on that framing slightly: 351 00:15:08,122 --> 00:15:16,022 [Reagan] because buying time only matters if you use it; if sixty days from now enrichment is still unresolved and the centrifuges are still spinning, 352 00:15:16,472 --> 00:15:18,472 [Reagan] what was the strategic purpose of the war? 353 00:15:18,750 --> 00:15:21,150 [Rush Lindell] That's a question I don't have a clean answer to, 354 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:23,250 [Rush Lindell] and I don't think the White House does either. 355 00:15:23,650 --> 00:15:28,450 [Reagan] Neither do I-and that discomfort is where honest conservatism has to live right now. 356 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,800 [Rush Lindell] The 60-day clock is already running. 357 00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:33,150 [Rush Lindell] We'll find out what this actually was: 358 00:15:33,450 --> 00:15:35,600 [Rush Lindell] a turning point or an expensive pause. 359 00:15:36,050 --> 00:15:37,350 [Rush Lindell] That answer's coming fast. 360 00:15:42,850 --> 00:15:44,350 [Rush Lindell] So the clock is running, 361 00:15:44,650 --> 00:15:45,800 [Rush Lindell] Day One of Sixty, 362 00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:47,950 [Rush Lindell] and here's what we're actually watching. 363 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:48,650 [Reagan] Right, 364 00:15:48,950 --> 00:15:50,850 [Reagan] three things—and they're not abstract. 365 00:15:51,450 --> 00:15:51,800 [Rush Lindell] Hit it! 366 00:15:52,100 --> 00:15:52,550 [Reagan] First, 367 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,350 [Reagan] does Iran agree to halt enrichment outright, 368 00:15:55,700 --> 00:15:58,000 [Reagan] or do they run the clock stalling on definitions? 369 00:15:58,650 --> 00:16:06,300 [Reagan] The Hill reported this week it took Obama twenty months to nail down the JCPOA. They're asking Witkoff to do it in sixty days. 370 00:16:06,650 --> 00:16:08,600 [Rush Lindell] Sixty Days. NBD. 371 00:16:09,630 --> 00:16:10,530 [Reagan] Second thing, 372 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,630 [Reagan] and this is the one I'm watching most closely,—that uranium stockpile. 373 00:16:15,180 --> 00:16:16,380 [Reagan] The MOU language, 374 00:16:16,530 --> 00:16:18,330 [Reagan] as PBS laid it out verbatim, 375 00:16:18,730 --> 00:16:23,430 [Reagan] says the minimum is down blending on site under IAEA supervision. 376 00:16:23,980 --> 00:16:24,280 [Reagan] Minimum. 377 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:24,680 [Rush Lindell] Hmm. 378 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,980 [Reagan] That word is doing a lot of work. 379 00:16:27,230 --> 00:16:31,330 [Rush Lindell] Because downblending on Iranian soil is not the same as removal. 380 00:16:31,730 --> 00:16:32,680 [Reagan] Not even close, 381 00:16:32,930 --> 00:16:34,730 [Reagan] and comedy already issued a direct 382 00:16:34,558 --> 00:16:42,458 [Reagan] Directive prohibiting the stockpile from leaving the country." Al Jazeera reported that. So the floor of this deal may also be the ceiling. 383 00:16:42,758 --> 00:16:44,458 [Rush Lindell] And the third thing is Lebanon. 384 00:16:45,008 --> 00:16:48,008 [Rush Lindell] Iran says the deal requires Israel to withdraw. 385 00:16:48,658 --> 00:16:50,808 [Rush Lindell] Israel has no seat at these talks. 386 00:16:51,108 --> 00:16:52,708 [Rush Lindell] That's a collision waiting to happen. 387 00:16:53,108 --> 00:16:55,158 [Reagan] Which brings us back to Netanyahu. 388 00:16:55,358 --> 00:16:57,308 [Reagan] He can't stop the final deal. 389 00:16:57,458 --> 00:16:58,858 [Reagan] He showed that at Versailles. 390 00:16:58,958 --> 00:17:01,808 [Reagan] But he can make 60 days feel like 600. 391 00:17:02,046 --> 00:17:02,146 [Reagan] hundred. 392 00:17:02,346 --> 00:17:04,646 [Rush Lindell] Here's the verdict I keep landing on: 393 00:17:04,946 --> 00:17:07,896 [Rush Lindell] the standard for judging this isn't the press conference, 394 00:17:08,246 --> 00:17:12,196 [Rush Lindell] it's what Iran's nuclear program looks like on day sixty one. 395 00:17:12,546 --> 00:17:15,296 [Reagan] Exactly not what Trump said at the G7, 396 00:17:15,496 --> 00:17:22,046 [Reagan] not what Pezeshkian signed in Tehran, what the IAEA can actually verify when the clock expires. 397 00:17:22,146 --> 00:17:25,046 [Rush Lindell] And if the answer is enrichment continuing, 398 00:17:25,396 --> 00:17:27,846 [Rush Lindell] stockpiles still sitting on Iranian soil. 399 00:17:27,774 --> 00:17:27,974 [Rush Lindell] oil, 400 00:17:28,274 --> 00:17:30,024 [Rush Lindell] and Lebanon still contested, 401 00:17:30,274 --> 00:17:33,624 [Rush Lindell] then the MOU didn't end the war-it paused it. 402 00:17:33,874 --> 00:17:37,024 [Reagan] That's the sixty day question nobody wants to answer yet. 403 00:17:37,274 --> 00:17:41,474 [Rush Lindell] Stay with us-we'll be tracking every one of those benchmarks as they hit. 404 00:17:46,914 --> 00:17:48,464 [Rush Lindell] Day sixty one. 405 00:17:48,964 --> 00:17:50,564 [Rush Lindell] That's the date that matters. 406 00:17:51,014 --> 00:17:52,464 [Rush Lindell] Not today's press conference, 407 00:17:52,764 --> 00:17:54,914 [Rush Lindell] not the Versailles dinner photo-op. 408 00:17:55,364 --> 00:17:56,664 [Rush Lindell] Day sixty one, 409 00:17:56,814 --> 00:18:00,464 [Rush Lindell] when the IAEA either has access or it doesn't. 410 00:18:00,914 --> 00:18:02,814 [Reagan] And that's the standard we laid out today. 411 00:18:03,164 --> 00:18:06,964 [Reagan] The four hundred and forty kilograms of sixty percent enriched uranium, 412 00:18:07,464 --> 00:18:08,264 [Reagan] the centrifuges, 413 00:18:08,564 --> 00:18:08,964 [Reagan] Lebanon, 414 00:18:09,264 --> 00:18:11,814 [Reagan] those three things will tell you everything. 415 00:18:12,114 --> 00:18:13,614 [Reagan] Watch what's verifiable. 416 00:18:13,758 --> 00:18:14,908 [Reagan] Not what's declared. 417 00:18:16,058 --> 00:18:16,808 [Rush Lindell] Bravo, 418 00:18:17,058 --> 00:18:17,508 [Rush Lindell] Macron! 419 00:18:17,808 --> 00:18:18,408 [Rush Lindell] Bravo! 420 00:18:19,008 --> 00:18:19,408 [Rush Lindell] Look, 421 00:18:19,658 --> 00:18:24,358 [Rush Lindell] this deal either delivers on Day Sixty One or the critics were right all along: 422 00:18:24,708 --> 00:18:25,658 [Rush Lindell] no middle ground. 423 00:18:26,108 --> 00:18:27,358 [Reagan] No middle ground. 424 00:18:27,708 --> 00:18:28,408 [Reagan] And that debate, 425 00:18:28,708 --> 00:18:30,058 [Reagan] inside conservative media, 426 00:18:30,408 --> 00:18:31,308 [Reagan] between allies, 427 00:18:31,758 --> 00:18:35,908 [Reagan] around the Netanyahu rupture-that's not going away in sixty days either. 428 00:18:36,608 --> 00:18:37,458 [Rush Lindell] This was a big one. 429 00:18:37,808 --> 00:18:39,208 [Rush Lindell] Thanks for spending the hour with us. 430 00:18:39,508 --> 00:18:40,608 [Reagan] Really glad you were here. 431 00:18:40,808 --> 00:18:42,608 [Reagan] If today's show made you think- 432 00:18:42,430 --> 00:18:43,130 [Reagan] Subscribe, 433 00:18:43,330 --> 00:18:44,630 [Reagan] leave a five-star review, 434 00:18:44,830 --> 00:18:48,480 [Reagan] and tell somebody who needs to hear it. 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